Does Torture Really Keep America Safe?

April 22, 2009 by Angela  
Filed under Featured, Lifestyle, My Rant, Politics, religion

Does torture really keep America safe? Who actually believes that? Beyond the fact that torture of any human being is reprehensible and disgusting is the “belief” by Mr. Dick Cheney himself that the release of the “Torture Memo’s” will make our country less safe. It will piss off the terrorists and allow them to “train” for such events if they are ever captured. Is it any wonder the Bush administration lied about it for such a long time? Isn’t it easier to cast doubt and make it look like some sort of open conspiracy than to actually admit to something as sociopathic and psychotic as torture? Who are we? We have known that torture has been going on since around 2002, yet we have chosen to blindly believe what the past administration told us.

Mr. Bush is a born again Christian after all! He believes in the sanctity of life, preservation of marriage between a man and a woman, oh and lets not forget about the ban embryonic stem cell research. I guess people taken in for questioning against their will because someone somewhere had possible credible evidence that the person had some kind of knowledge about an incident involving some kind of group, and then tortured repeatedly and kept against their will and against our laws without proper representation or even being charged with something makes them less than human and therefore open to such treatment. Did you understand what I just said? Should people be taken into custody, held against their will, tortured for YEARS because they “might” know something? How does that keep us safe? I wonder how many men actually know NOTHING at all, and instead of admitting that they were taken in and kept against their will and releasing them, the government just keeps holding on to them. What could be worse than the prison releasing them and sending them back to their country? Well, what would be worse is if those innocent people went back and told their story and their government bringing charges against us. So lets just keep them imprisoned. There are a lot of people being held not only in this country, but around the world, and the thing most certainly forgotten is the fact that these men haven’t been convicted of anything. Everyone is afraid of closing down Gitmo because where will the detainees go? EXACTLY! Where do they go? We don’t even know if they are guilty of anything. We just keep holding on to them.

The thought of releasing them to possibly go back to their country and plan an attack on us strikes terror in so many and is a part of the conditioning that we have had about Muslims or Islam since 9/11 happened. Part of that conditioning has been the ability to fling the law behind the previous administrations back and keep people detained for years without representation and without being charge with a crime.

So how do Christians feel about all this? Do you believe that it is a means to an end? That a little evil is ok for the greater good? I have noticed that the Religious Right has been very quiet about it. Why? You’re vocal about abortion, which is the snuffing out of human life and in many cases actually torturous for unborn children to endure before they are killed…so is the torture of an innocent full grown man any different? And if he is guilty, does that make it more acceptable? I guess the much quoted bible verse “Love your enemies” means something else huh? Now don’t get high and mighty with me, I’m not saying that you would have to invite these people into your home for a spot of tea, but how about speaking up for those who have no voice right now? You do it for the unborn, so why not for the ethical and humane treatment of real live human beings? Even PETA has nothing to say about this. I guess the torture of animals is far worse than the torture of humans.

Torture does not make our country safe. What it does is erode the moral fiber of our country and turn us into sadistic people if we continue to support such things. Christians may say that abortion and gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research actually erodes the moral fiber, as does pornography or drugs, but I will leave you with a final thought-

What does it mean to be godly? Do we really know? To be like the most High God, what does it take? I was asked that once and I had to really sit and ponder it for a while before I answered. My answer to that question was simple. In order to be like the Most High God, you must first realize that others have free will. God does not prevent us from making mistakes or from living our lives. While some might say the answer is to hate sin, or not be a homosexual, to not have sex before marriage, to not lie or manipulate, I believe that it goes even deeper. Its hard to give others free will. We live in a land full of laws. But when do we allow free will to kick in? Another thing I have heard is “Love the sinner and hate the sin.” Such things are directed at us, not the other person. We are to love those who may sin AND not do that thing we call sin. It isn’t meant to prevent others from living their lives, it is meant to offer up our own free will to our Creator out of love for Him and at the same time, reflect that same love back to those we believe are “sinners.” Free will was given so that we may love our Creator freely…to make a choice to direct our hearts towards Him and abide with Him. If we do not offer the beautiful gift of free will to others, are we reflecting the Will of God or the will of ourselves yet standing behind the words of God concerning His thoughts on a matter?

I’m sure that I have opened up a theological can of worms, but I had to say it. I have been pretty silent when it comes to topic of religion, so there it is. Religion is such a deeply personal choice, but I’m really interested to know what Christians in particular feel about the subject of torture. Is it a sin to you? Do you condone it? Or maybe you will take the moral high ground and claim that it was the free will of Dick Cheney and George Bush to institute such tactics. To that, I say that while they have free will, they are not above the law, and as such, while they do have free will and used it, there are consequences according to the law. So should they face those consequences and be charged with war crimes? Part of morality is justice, so will justice be denied? I have far too many questions and of course my own ready opinion…what I want are your opinions. What are your thoughts?

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3 Comments on "Does Torture Really Keep America Safe?"

  1. kipstreg on Wed, 22nd Apr 2009 7:28 am 

    For years we have been so busy tut-tutting and wagging our finger in admonishment to other countries whom we deemed to be behaving badly.Such blatent hypocrisy is truly appalling.Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Jay Bybee and John Yoo should be indicted and bought to account for the actions they took in OUR name.
    Where’s Karl Rove now? For years he pursued Clinton for sexual hanky panky,but apparently torture and the dearth of human rights is okay.
    It gives the rest of the world yet another reason to acuse us of double standards.The old,”do as I say,not do as I do”

  2. Angela on Wed, 22nd Apr 2009 9:07 am 

    Well Kipstreg, since we now know officially that torture was used, I guess if another country wants to accuse us, it is no longer an accusation but an actual fact that they are stating. The question will be whether President Obama decides to pardon those guilty of passing down the “OK” to torture. If he pardons them, does he turn a blind eye? What do we do with those who have been tortured in that case? Do they get reparations? Or is it just “Oops, that was the previous administration’s fault, sorry…but you are still going to be held without just cause, representation and we also aren’t charging you with anything.”
    I was watching a video clip this morning of John Stewart talking about torture…I love John Stewart and I would have put this video in at the end my article if I saw it last night:

    The Daily Show With Jon Stewart M - Th 11p / 10c
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  3. Bobby Revell on Sun, 26th Apr 2009 11:28 pm 

    I of course oppose torture, but find it ridiculous because there’s something far more important than that: the Iraq war. If there’s going to be an outrage over something, it should be about the Iraq war. Bush, Cheney, Hilary Clinton, Biden, Nancy Pelosi and the entire congress who voted for the war should go to prison. Like all presidents and Bush before him, Obama is basically a puppet being held hostage by congress. If he opposes his own party, they will turn on him. My philosophy is for anyone to be unbiased they must criticize both sides. Everything wrong Bush did, was not just his fault, it’s the entire congress including both republicans and democrats. Bush was one of the worst presidents (but not the absolute worst). In my opinion, Obama has already proven to be just another overly-partisan politician with a great smile—but I do not hate him—though I wish he were more pragmatic and would stand up to the left more often. I don’t hate Bush. I don’t hate anyone. They’re just people doing what they think is right. If a person opposes governmental power, they’re branded a racist by MSNBC. If a person questions the Christian right, they’re branded anti-American by FOX. Overall, I just oppose war, want my individual freedom and think all drugs should be decriminalized. I just want my freedom. If anything, perhaps at least torture can be stopped permanently whether people go to jail or not. If they do, it’s their own fault.

    I no longer write about politics because it gives me a stomach ache hahaha! I do respect your outspoken opinions and your inability to not speak your mind :smile:
    Bobby Revell’s last blog post..My Upcoming Transgressional Fiction Novel

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